July 2000 Questions

Digger Odell Publications © 2000

Dear Sir, I have come into the possession of several Beam Bottles-Cars, and bottles with fancy baroque gold colored trim, some have bourbon in them, some are empty. Could you please direct me to sites, or people who are collectors, as I wish to dispose of them. Thank you, Sam Peters

Sam, I am no expert on these modern collectibles.  Your best bet for these is to sell them on Ebay on line auctions.  For more information about your bottles and their value check out this site http://www.beamclub.com/ .  My observation from Ebay sales is that the automobile figural are popular.  Digger

OLD BOTTLE DESCRIPTION I am trying to determine if I have and old or antique bottle, or a fake. I do not believe it is a reproduction because it does not have any initials or numbers on it. The description in my layman's terms are this: · a very heavy, thick and dark amber glass. · Dimensions are 6 5/8" tall top to bottom. · Width is 1 13/16". The neck is 1" tall (not counting the lip) by 1 /16" wide. · The lip is thick and rolled. Just inside the lip is a groove. · The bottle is convex on both sides and flat on the back. · It is concave on the front in a window shape that is curved top and flat on the bottom. · Inside this depression is are the raised letters "THE MALTINE MF G CO NEW YORK" · The E’s are missing most of the middle arm and The other letters are poor quality - - - Like the mold was carved or something. · Their is a space between MF and the G, and no period after the G or the abbreviation CO · The base is smooth with a 1 5/8" diameter indention about 1/16" deep · 3 raised dots are located in the middle of this depression, dead center and in the shape of a triangle (where a pontil mark would normally be). · Quality of the glass is very good (no chips, etc.) · However, it does appear to be worn. · It does have imperfections consisting of bubbles, striations, and a couple of irregular lines. like maybe something string size touched the metal during cooling, or maybe was in the mold. · Their appears to be a seam around the "rounded" edges of the bottom. · Seams are real pronounce up 2 sides between the front and right side, and the back and left side. The seams disappear 1/4" above the shoulder on the neck. I am a very green novice at this. I have only collected 6 bottles and about a dozen fruit jars so far. I have bought several books that I keep reading over and over trying to learn this new interest I have found. Please advise if you have the time and can decipher all this. In all my research I can't find reference to the marks on the bottom or the words "THE MALTINE MFG CO NEW YORK" anywhere. I have the following questions: 1. What time era is this bottle from? I guessed 1860. 2. Are Maltine MFG Co. bottles common? 3. What are the 3 raised dots in the form of a triangle represent? 4. Who made the bottle? 5. Is it a snap case bottom? 6. What is it worth?

You did an excellent job of describing you old bottle.  Yes, the bottle is very common. The raised dots might be related to the bottle manufacturer.  As for the product itself, John Carnick, originally of the firm Reed Carnick and Andrus and later Reed and Carnick, introduced Maltine in 1875 and established the Maltine Mfg. Co. in 1878.  The Maltine came a in wide variety of flavors (fortified with cod liver oil, beef and iron or other such supplements).  The company was sold in the 1890s.  The new company turned the product into a top seller. Above are two trademarks the company registered in 1905.  One for the word "Maltine" and the other for "Malto Yerbine" In my experience the bottles you describe are commonly found in later 19th century dumps.  They were located in Brooklyn, New York.  There was plenty of competition in the malt-medicine business.  They advertised as a healthful drink but were highly forified with alcohol as well as nutritive substances.  There were malt whiskeys and malt tonics of every description.  Digger

Anheuser-Busch trademarked a malt beverage, Malt-Nutrine, in 1905, the name of which suggested a product  with nutritional value.

I have an American Legion 50th anniversary commemorative whiskey bottle by J.W. Dant. It was bottled in 1969, it's dark blue in color and in excellent condition. I was wondering what it was worth?

J.W. Dant Distilling company produces a line of collectible bottles similar to Jim Beam and Ezra Brooks bottlers.  They tend to focus on patriotic themes. I found a price listing for your American Legion bottle at $3-7. Several were being offered on Ebay within this price range without any takers. Digger

I HAVE AN UNOPEN BOTTLE OF EPHEDRINE HYDROCLOIRIDE THE LABEL IS ALSO IN MINT CONDITION.PLEASE REPLY ASAP .

Ephedrine hydrochloride, an over-the-counter drug which is both a stimulant used in Cold, Cough, Allergy, Bronchodilator, and Antiasthmatic drug products as well as in the illegal manufacture of methamphetamine.  It has been recommended by the FDA that "action is being taken in response to a request from the U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to restrict OTC availability of ephedrine because of its illicit use as the primary precursor utilized in the synthesis of the controlled substances methamphetamine and methcathinone. This action is also based on new information that shows that the misuse and abuse of OTC ephedrine drug products has the potential for causing harm and on comments made by FDA's Pulmonary-Allergy Drugs Advisory Committee and the Nonprescription Drugs Advisory Committee on November 14, 1994. This proposal is part of the ongoing review of OTC drug products conducted by FDA."

I do not know if your bottle is old or new but it might be unwise to try to sell it on Ebay or anywhere else.  Digger

Hello, I have been collecting antique bottles for many years and have a question about new bottles. I have a Wesson oil bottle that I have had for about 25 years. It is clear and about 11 inches tall. The reason I saved it is because there is a defect in the bottle. On the inside about 2 inches from the bottom is a string of glass that goes all the way to the other side of the bottle. Not straight across but looped from one side to the other. The outside is smooth although it appears to have a hole in each side where the sting of glass is attached. Is it of any value to save new bottles that have defects? Thanks for any help. Gloria

I have always enjoyed old bottles with such defects.  I have heard such a defect as you describe being called a "Monkey Swing." I have had a number over the years.  Older bottles that are "crude" or have "whittle" marks often bring higher prices than those without.  Other types of defects may tend to add more to the interest than to the value of the bottle. I would suspect the same to be true of modern bottles as well.  Digger

Hello fellow collector: I have a question for you. I recently purchased this bottle (please see photo) and I am unable to find one like it in any books. Can you possibly tell me what it was used for. Thanks a bunch for your time. April Hancock

First let me say what this piece is not.  It is not an Early American bottle.  It is probably not old.  It seems I have seen these somewhere maybe at a bottle show.  My guess, it is wine decanter.  You can pour the wine in and  let the wine breathe. The indented place is to put ice to cool the wine.  Digger

Digger, could you please explain the difference between export beer shape and whiskey bottle technique of the 1880-1890 period. Also if you could include the age, rarity, and value of the below described bottle I would greatly appreciate it. The bottle is round, 11.5 inches in height, amber in color, many bubbles in glass, and some staining. The mouth has an applied tapered lip with mold seams disappearing approximately an inch and a quarter below the top of the lip. The only embossing - R & CO and a K beneath the R & CO - appears on the key mold base with no pontil mark. I believe I've found info pertaining to the bottle in "BOTTLE MAKERS and THEIR MARKS" and that is where the question about export beer shape and whiskey bottle technique arises from. Thank you for any information and your time, Jim Hering

Here's an article on my site Understanding Beer Bottles

Digger, could you please explain the difference between export beer shape and whiskey bottle technique of the 1880-1890 period. Also if you could include the age, rarity, and value of the below described bottle I would greatly appreciate it. The bottle is round, 11.5 inches in height, amber in color, many bubbles in glass, and some staining. The mouth has an applied tapered lip with mold seams disappearing approximately an inch and a quarter below the top of the lip. 

The only embossing - R & CO and a K beneath the R & CO - appears on the key mold base with no pontil mark. I believe I've found info pertaining to the bottle in "BOTTLE MAKERS and THEIR MARKS" and that is where the question about export beer shape and whiskey bottle technique arises from. Thank you for any information and your time, Jim Hering

Jim, I unfortunately do not have a copy of "Bottle Makers and Their Marks" to help guide me in answering what I think is your question.  I checked one source which suggests the R & Co. could be Roth & Company out of San Francisco doing business around 1880.  The style of the lip and the mold seam around the base suggest about that date.  Beers we dig here from the 1870s tend to have more of a tapered rather than a blob lip.  The lip style would need to match the stopper which was a wire bale and a metal cap of some sort.  From the picture, I can see the remains of the lead foil that covered the bottle.  The foil would have protected the cap.  I tend to think the bottle is probably a beer, but with the presence of the foil it might have been a brandy or other fancy liquor.  I doubt that it was whiskey.  Whiskey bottles nearly always have a simple cork closure.  The function of the blob top besides strengthening the lip was to give a place to attach the wire bale which formed the bottle of the stopper.  Holding the stopper in place was essential to maintaining the carbonation.  Whisky is not carbonated and hence you find tapered tooled tops on whiskey bottles of this period.  the cork may have been secured with a wire but not baled and tied down like a beer bottle.  The value of your bottle is limited by the lack of a product name and place.  I'd guess $3-5.  Digger.

 

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW, WHERE I COULD PURCHASE SOME OF THE DEXTER'S STAIN REMOVER "A CURE & REMEDY FOR SICK GLASS"? MY FATHER-IN-LAW HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS PRODUCT AND HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL AT FINDING IT. SINCERELY CARMEN

For many years Dexter Sunberg of California advertised and sold his "Stain Remover" through advertisements in the bottle magazine.  I have not seen the ad for a number of years, nor have I see it for sale.  I'd suggest checking with Jim Hagenbuch, publisher, of the Antique Bottle and Glass Collector.  You'll find several links on this site Jim might know of his whereabouts.  The substance for those who are not aware was a Hydrofluoric acid based product which would help on some bottles with reducing the visibility of stain.  It will not restore the shiny surface and in some cases may do damage to the bottle.  As one who has professionally cleaned bottles, I have polished many bottles that were Dexterized.  Digger 

Hi, I am writing you with a question about a bottle that has been bugging me for a while. A while back, I bought a Barry's Tricopherous, open pontil bottle. I knew when i bought it that Barry's were common bottles. But later, I noticed something unusual about the embossing. Every single other Barry's bottle is embossed "Tricopherous for the hair and skin." some have the "directions in the pamphlet" also. But this bottle is different. On the left side of the bottle it says "BARRYS." The right side says "NEW YORK." And the front panel says "TRICOPHEROUS/ FOR THE HAIR." There is nothing about it being for the skin also. I have checked many sources, every book I can find and many auction prices, and I have seen no other bottle with this embossing. I doubt that this adds anything to the bottle because I know how common Barry's are, but is this an older mold or what? are there many other bottles with this embossing because I have never ever seen one at any shows, listed in any book, etc. I know you recently did a book on pontiled medicines so could you help me shed some light on this mystery? thanks a lot, Ben Perlmutter

Ben, both Dan Fadely (Hair Raising Stories) and I (Pontil Medicine Encyclopedia) list your bottle. I'd say yours was probably one of the earlier bottles from the company.  Alexander C. Barry claimed his father invented the Tricopherous" in 1801 (a claim I tend to doubt).  Information from the trademark says the brand was started in 1839.  You can learn more in latest book. Digger

 

These bottles are most often dug in the West.  The original product was put up by William Wisdom of Chicago.  He likely sold out to the Blumauer-Frank Drug Co. of Portland, Oregon.  Later bottles with similar embossing were clear. It contained a cosmetic lotion. Digger

Digger, If you can help me with information on these bottles, I would greatly appreciate it. 1. The Cobalt Wisdom's Robertine, it is 5" tall, tool top, and the embossing is set in a panel front. 2. Is a clear barrel, with eight rings on the bottom and eight rings on the top. It has glass etching that appears to be in French. Inside the top, is ground glass, which leads me to believe that it had a glass stopper at one time. There are two pictures of this bottle, one with the etching and the second is the full picture. Any information you can provide would be helpful. Thank you for your assistance. Bill and Monika

 

 

Bill, This is a very interesting bottle.  I suspect it is a whiskey or bitters.  This style bottle known known as a figural barrel.  The barrel motif was almost always connected with an alcoholic beverage of some sort. Age-wise it appears to be from the 1875-1885 period. the presence of a stopper suggests to me it might have been a back bar bottle.  Digger.

Hi Digger I found this bottle while landscaping at work. I couldn't find much out on in books at the library so I decided to check on the internet and came across your website. I'm guessing it's a medicine bottle. Clear, 5" tall,13/4"wide, rectangle, with the words Meyer Schmid & Robyn Grocer Co. on it. The glass surface has a lot of irregular squiggly lines all over it and no mold lines on it. This texture gives it an iridescent look to it under certain lighting. I scanned it so I hope you can receive the image ok. I'm interested in if you can tell me the age, history, and value of the bottle. Thanks for any info. you can provide. Matt. [Unable to display image]

Sorry Matt the image did not come through.  the bottle is likely a flavoring bottle such as lemon oil or vanilla based on both the embossing and the shape and size.  There are not many collectors in this category so there is not much demand for your bottle.  I'd estimate the value at $1-2.  Digger

I have a bottle that is amber in color and is about 8 1/2 inch high has writing on the bottle stating that federal law forbids sale or reuse of this bottle on the bottom it has a circle with D1 65-8 over from that it has a square with what looks like a cats eye going through the square with a - in the center of the square. The bottle has a smooth circle in the front with a large circle in the back, it is a 1 pint bottle it also has like webbing on the sides and front and back at the bottom of the bottle it has a 6 with a small 4 . It also has a screw top no lid with it. I was wondering if you would happen to know about it and it's worth. Thank You James Goble

James, Without any other embossing except the "Federal Law Forbids..." on the bottle, even with the design the bottle, a whiskey of some kind, has very little if any value.  Check out the link on my home page for bottles with this embossing.  Digger.

I found an interesting flask at a nearby antique store and need a little info about it. It is described as a "flattened chestnut," I think it's amber, but a friend says it's more like puce. It's iron pontiled, a little over 7" tall with a very crudely applied "rope lip" that barely makes it all the way around the neck. It also has a very ornate and delicate handle that again is rather crudely applied. There are tooling marks on one side where the maker's paddle left indentations when the bottle was flattened out. There are hundreds of tiny bubbles in it. It is in perfect shape, almost like it's been stored inside. Could you give me any idea of the age? My guess is 1840-1860. Was this a liqueur bottle? I've heard that these kinds of bottles were even used in the Civil War as canteens? Lastly, and I know this is the big question, can you give me an estimate of what it could be worth. It's not really important, because I liked it when I bought it and I think I got a good deal. I met you at the Mansfield, OH show (along with 1500 of my best friends!). It was great to put a name with a face. Thank you for all your help. Yours Truly, Steve Ripsom

Steve, Sounds like a very nice piece.  I had a question last month about a similar bottle.  Readers not familiar with the "flattened chestnut" form can see a picture I posted.  I would agreed with everything you said about the age and use.  It almost certainly was produced between 1840-60 and was a liquor bottle.  I doubt the part about being used as canteens as they would likely easily break (It is possible I guess they could have been covered with wicker but I do not know of any evidence for this).  In amber the bottle sells around $100.  In puce, I'd guess closer to $200.  Digger

Hi have hires bottle------ color--aqua height- 4 & 3/8 shape-square--1&5/8 embossed-4 sides---'HIRES HOUSEHOLD EXTRACT' 'FOR BREWING ROOT BEER AT HOME' 'MANUFACTURED BY THE CHARLES.E.HIRES CO' 'PHILADELPHIA, PA U.S.A. TOP--TOOLED SQUARE HAVE SEEN INFO ON OTHER HIRES FOR FIVE GALLONS BUT NOT THIS ONE. THANKS FOR ANY INFORMATION

 I have seen a small size bottle I believe made about 1 gallon and was perhaps 2" tall with similar embossing as yours.  I think it is a later bottle than the "five gallon" variant and even machine made if I remember correctly .  I would guess your bottle to be a later variant, probably made after the turn of the century but I cannot specifically remember seeing your bottle.  Digger.

I retrieved a whiskey bottle from a cistern that has been covered over for many years by a building complex. My question is this; about how old is it, and when did the company go out of business if they did? Wording on the bottom of the bottle: CONTINENTAL DISTILLING CORP. PHILA PA D18 2 18 < 8. The 2 after PA 18 is subscripted. The character after 18 is a compressed square, or two triangles end to end. Color: Clear Height: 8" Type: ABM Closier: Aluminum Screw Cap Base: Slight concave There is crest in a circle but I cant make out what it is. The face of the bottle has a place for a label. The rest of the face of the bottle is covered with flattened squares (as describe above) extending onto the sides. I'm more curious about the history of the bottle than the value, if there is any. Thanks for your attention, John

John,  there is not probably much value to the bottle except as personal interest in where you got it..  The lack of the "Federal Law Forbids Reuse..." suggests a pre-prohibition date possibly around 1915-1918, but it could be as late as 1929.  There were thousands of distilling companies at that time.  I was not able to find information on yours.  Digger.

Hello, My name is David. I have a question on the rarity of my bottle that I dug up. My question is, its general worth plus the rarity. Here is the description of the bottle:

It is an amber cure bottle, 11" tall, very good condition. It has a bit of fog inside. It should be easy enough to clean. The embossed lettering from top to bottom goes as follows: Dr. M. M. Fenner's Peoples Remedies Fredonia, N.Y. U.S.A. Kidney & Backache Cure 1872 - 1898. The seam runs halfway up neck. The bottom is oval with a flat pontil mark the size of a half dollar. It is a very beautiful bottle. When I found this bottle, there were two just like it that were quite busted up. I prayed for a third not to be broke.... and lo and behold, there she was... a true jewel. You are the first person I have inquired about this bottle. Any information is truly appreciated. Bottle Digger in West Virginia, Dave

Dave, the mark on the base is not a pontil mark.  The indentation is part of the two piece mold in which the bottle was made.  Bottles from this era were generally not  pontiled.

Fenner's Kidney and Backache Cure is not a rare cure.  They sell for about $25-35.  There is an earlier variant without the dates which sells for more.  Digger

Milton M. Fenner was a inventor of the bottle you found.  He began in the business in Fredonia about 1869 and continued until he died in 1905 when the business was run by his son.  By 1912 it was being advertised as Kidney Backache "Remedy".  the brand was heavily advertised in the 1880s.

Dear Digger I have a pontiled medicine that I can't seem to find a price on could you please help me out. it is embossed COULEY`S FOUNTAIN/OF HEALTH/NO. picture of a fountain 38/BALTIMORE ST./BALTIMORE. the bottles is aqua in color open pontiled and is 9 5/8 inches tall. Any help would be great. I dug this bottle out of an 1850`s era privy. in a small town near Baltimore city. Thanks Chris

Chris,  over the years I have seen less than half a dozen of these bottles.  They are an impressive pontil medicine having both a good size and an embossed picture.  While researching material for the pontil medicine encyclopedia, I searched diligently for any scrap of information about the history of this bottle without success.  Nowhere in the city directories for Baltimore could I find reference to any "Couley" nor could I find any newspaper advertising.  I would estimate a value of $300-500 these days for a mint specimen.

How do I know if my bottle is an antique.

Check out the information on bottle basics on this site.  In most cases, the method of manufacture is the key to determining the age.  The simplest indication of an antique bottle is if the mold seam does not go up and over the lip.  With some reproductions and modern bottles made in the old fashion it often requires an experienced eye is to determine the actual age.  Digger

 

Digger, Thank you so much for the wonderfully detailed information on the St. Julien Medoc bottle. We are still curious, however, why one bottle has two L's and all the others we have located (in collections nearby) have only one L in the word "Julien". Do you know why this may have occurred? Thanks again on the great info listed in May 2000 Q & A! Dennis

Dennis, I would guess maybe an illiterate mold maker.  Digger

Hi, I'm a dealer who's bottle illiterate. A friend brought me a bottle to identify and I could really use some help. The bottle is 10 1/2 " high and says "contents 64 fl. ozs. Embossed on the bottle is an Indian getting water from a spring and it says "Chemung Spring Water"...at the bottom it says "trademark". The bottom of the bottle has a manufacturers mark, which I found in one of my reference books as the Thatcher Glass Mfg. Co. There is no pontil. Other numbers on the bottom are 479, S1, and 55. I thought maybe the bottle is a reproduction, but it does have wear on the raised picture/letters, which indicates some age. I would appreciate whatever information you could provide. Thanks, Bonnie Darling

The trademark shown at the left was filed in 1901. I think the fact that your bottles has the wording about the fluid contents makes it a later variant.  The earliest bottles had a ground glass stopper and the late bottles from the 1950s have a painted label.  I'd estimate a value of $50-75.

Hi,

I had a couple of guys dig at my home and they brought up some pretty interesting items. (Our house was built in 1858), Anyway, they brought up 3 H. G. O. Cary bottles. I have cleaned 2 of them and they are both clear with a white swirling in the glass. For lack of a better term to describe it, the "Swirling" is everywhere on the bottle. Kind of like a rainbow shape, maybe. I am hoping this is supposed to be there, and not something I did when I cleaned the bottle. I used Dawn dishsoap to clean all my bottles (they found quite a few), and the Cary bottles are the only ones that have this. I have also noticed that the cary bottles have a rainbow glass type tint to them. Is all this normal? I am sorry to sound so much like a novice, but I really am. I have always loved bottles, always collected modern ones, but now I am really getting into the older ones. I'd even like to do a dig myself someday. I appreciate any help you can give me on this. Amanda in Indiana

Gee Amanda you should have asked for a few more of the bottles.  It sounds like they dug an 1890s privy.  Harrison G. Cary was an early Zanesville, OH druggist who made his fortune selling Barrell's Indian Liniment.  Your bottle may have been a labeled Barrell's.  The rainbow tint is stain from being buried for so long and it is not removable by scrubbing.  Maybe they missed a hole in your own back yard.  Digger

I received the books I ordered from you. Excellent books, my partner and I will order a couple more in the near future. My question is, I found two Hutch's yesterday here in northern Minnesota. I would like to know a price and the rarity of these bottles. The first Hutch is 6.5 inches tall, clear in color, and says THIS BOTTLE NOT SOLD BERGLUND BROS. CLOQUET, MINN. The second Hutch is 7 inches tall, clear in color, and says No 5 BQ DE Both have bubbles and are in excellent shape. Hope to hear from you.

Local collectors would be your best bet on determining rarity.  I know a few Minnesota collectors and from what they say old bottles are hard to come by up in your neck of the woods.  The only soda bottle books I have as reference do not list any MN sodas.  The value would be highest in your state and local area. I'd be afraid to guess for just that reason.  It might be a $12 bottle or a $100 bottle to the right collector.  Digger

Dear Digger, I have some friends who live in Tennessee and they were having extension work done to their house when a bottle was uncovered. It is called Cupie, and says it was bottled by the Coca-Cola bottling company. However, we have so far been unable to find out any further information on this drink. Can you please let me know if you have any info. Thanks, Tara

I do not but I will leave this posted in hopes another reader will.  Digger

I have a Spark's Kidney & Liver Cure bottle can u tell me what it's worth?

I have listings for three different Spark's Kidney & Liver Cure bottles.  Two are small about 4 1/2 inches tall the other is 9 3/8 inches tall with an embossed bust of a man.  Its been quite a few years since I have seen one of these for sale.  Just a guess...I'd have to say in the $250-400 range for the large bottle.  As with any estimate this would be for a specimen in excellent condition without chips, cracks or stain. Digger

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Hi There, How does one find out where to sell old bottles? We are located in North Central Wisconsin. One of my brothers has several old Bitters bottles he would like to sell. Thank You,

 You can:  1) Sell them on line through an auction service or off a website. 2) Place an ad in the Antique Bottle and Glass Collector Magazine.  3) Give them to an auctioneer.  4) Take them to a flea market or antique show or better yet a bottle show.  Here's the deal.  Good bottles - rare and desirable can be easily sold.  More common items (even those bringing $50-100) can be harder to move. If you are willing to sell them for a bit less some dealers would be interested.  Digger

Hi, Below is a copy of my previous question and your answer: Hello, I recently found, by chance, I don't normally collect bottles, a clear glass soda bottle about seven inches tall. It has a white and cream colored label with from the Champlain Carbonated Beverages company of Burlington, VT. There is some other marketing printing on the back such as "The 'Champ' of beverages. Any idea on value? Thanks 

Painted label soda collectors prefer bottles with pictures. If your soda had a picture of a ferry crossing Lake Champlain it would be of great interest. The large majority of painted label sodas do not have pictures and hence are much less collectible than those with pictures. A second factor involves the number of colors on the label. three color labels seem to command good prices too. There might be some local interest on the part of Lake Champlain collectors. I'd estimate $3-8. Digger. 

I guess I did not give a very good description and was excited to hear what you said as there is a picture on the bottle of what looks like a small sailing boat on a lake with some clouds, trees and a shore. The neck of the bottle has a white painted label with the printed work "Champlain." (front and back) The marketing printing on the back is also white. The picture is a cream background with brown printing for the picture and the words. So, what do you say to that :) -- thanks a ton for your help. You have real passion here. Scott

Scott, Since publishing the above response, I talked to a several very knowledgeable collectors.  They assured me my original estimate was correct.  The bottle is well known and not rare.  Digger

Thanks for helping me with a recent question about my "Sperm Oil Bottle". I have this one bottle that I am interested in. It stands about 9". ( don't have my ruler in front of me). It is also about 9" in diameter as well. The color is yellow. In raised letters on the front it reads, "Franks Safe Kidney & Liver Cure" (The & sign is actually just like the fish sign). Then their is a raised picture of a safe. On the bottom front of the bottle, underneath the safe, it says "Rochester, NY". On the back of this bottle it reads in raised lettering, "Since 1892 works wonders This is not a polite way of drinking nothing in this remedy will grow on any one, no danger of contracting the drink or any other kind of habit." The bottom of the bottle, has a marking of what looks like a z, and above the z, it says Wheaton, NJ. Why would it have two different states? Also, it looks like there are two different seams. One that goes all the way to the top, and one that ends at the shoulder. I am guessing this is some kind of copy or something. I don't know. Maybe you or one of your readers can help. Thanks a whole lot. Amy

Amy,  Your bottle is a fantasy bottle.  One that was made up by the designers at Wheaton Village, New Jersey (You will find many references to Wheaton bottles on this site).  The bottle was inspired by "Warner's Safe Kidney & Liver  Cure from the 1880-1890s.  Yours is a modern bottle.  For about $20 you can buy one of the original Warner's bottles. Digger

Hey, I found a "Piso's Cure For Consumption" bottle on the beach and am wondering what it's worth. It is in mint condition.

In the above picture are a dozen different colors of Piso Consumption Cure Bottles

Hey, you mentioned how old dug up bottles have a white stain in them sometimes, I have a small one in my Piso's Cure bottle and was wondering how to remove it. Thanx if ya have an answer for me! Bye, ~*Abby*~

The Piso's Cure comes in many shades of green as well as the more come aqua coloration.  It also is known in several sizes.  The company was very successful and so the bottles are very common.  Unless the bottle is unusual in the color variation it has a modest value of $3-4.  The "Cure" contained Cannabis Indica commonly known a marijuana in liquid form.  The company was one of the early targets of the Food and Drug Administration after the 1906 Food and Drug Act. Abby I am afraid you are out of luck with the stain it can only be removed by professional cleaning and that would cost more than the bottle is worth.  Digger

Hello, I hope you can help me, or steer me in the right direction. I am just wanting to get some info on a bottle that I have. I do not wish to sell this, just want history of it. This bottle stands about 7 inches tall, on the front, and in an arch, it states, A. ROSENKRANS, just below that going straight across is states, SCRANTON, PA. This is all raised lettering. Now, on the bottom of the bottle, around the edge it states, STOPPER MADE BY ALBERTSON'S JOHN MATTHEWS NEW YORK, and in the middle on the bottom it states, PAT'D OCT. 11th 1864. This is all raised lettering, although, the day "11" is not real clear, but the "Oct." and "th" and "1864" are all very clear. My name is Rosenkrans and I am originally from NJ and would love to get some history on this bottle. I am directly related to Col. John Rosenkrans who was in the American Revolution and I am a member of the SAR in his name, in NJ. So, there is a lot of Rosenkrans history back there, but I have never run across this bottle before. I purchased this bottle on ebay, but unfortunately the seller had no idea of its history or origin, other than what is stated on the bottle. Would appreciate any help you can give me!! Thank you, John Rosenkrans

Your bottle took a Mathewson stopper often called a gravitational stopper. Unfortunately, I can't tell you much more than that.  I can give you some pointers on how to find out more but lots of leg work is required.  First, we can narrow down the time by both the information about the stopper and from the shape of the bottle I assume it to be a transitional shape between a "squat soda" and the "Hutchinson soda" (check these out on my soda information page by clicking on the Soda Book on my home page.  Lets say the date ranges between 1870-1885.  The local historical society or library might have copies of the early City Directories.  You can try to call the reference desk at the Scranton Library and ask if they will check the directories (note: they cannot do in-depth research due to time constraints) so ask them to check two or three specific years. You might be able to find the directories in a big city library near you.  I know my local city library has microfilm copies of many cities' directories and perhaps even Scranton.  Secondly, while its a long shot you might do an on-line telephone search in the Scranton area perhaps there is a living relative. Local Scranton newspapers of the time  might have advertising related to the bottle or better yet an obituary of the gentleman.  County birth and death records also might be a good source.  It isn't easy, but it can be fun and rewarding when you find something.  Digger

Hello: My neighbor has just uncovered a bottle in his yard with the name "Whistle" and 6 1/2 ounces. 1926. Can you give us any info on what it contained originally? It has a shape like a woman with corset! Thanks for your time- hope you can help, Peggy Perfitt

Peggy, Whistle was a soda popular in the 1930-50 period.  Many bottles carry a 1928 patent date for the unique design of the bottle.   I believe I covered a similar question in past months.  Digger

I found a bottle in the EDISTO river in SC I need some help with. It is an old cork top, clear with a green tint to it. In raised letters it has: NEW AMSTERDAM BOTTLING CO 45 WEST 44th STREET NEW YORK TRADE MARK REGISTERED on the side. No marks on the bottom. The most interesting thing is that the cork is still seated with what I think is the original contents inside. Contents are a pale amber color. I have pulled many old bottles out of this place in the river before (coke, SC dispensary, round bottom) but this was the most interesting. Any help with this would be great. Neele:

Neele, I wouldn't drink it if I were you.  Sounds like a soda bottle.  Maybe a reader can provide some insight.  Digger 

Dear Digger, thanks for your great site. I could (and have) spent hours here. Pardon me if I am asking questions already covered elsewhere in the site. I have questions on several bottles. I am interested in the age, some history and value on the following.1) olive green Piso's cure for comsumption,5 1/4" tall, rectangular, many bubbles, perfect shape but dirty. I have seen reference to Piso's cure but never a green one. # 56 or 95 on bottom (don’t know which way is up) and what looks like (could it be?) a small, smoothed pontil mark. (See the above picture) 2) very slightly purple 4 1/2 tall, 1 1/2 in. square bottle. T he mold marks end halfway up the neck and the lip is squarish. On the bottom, "A Schilling & Co " encircling"2oz net". On one side is embossed a delicate A and S intertwining. The glass is very thin and it is quite beautiful. It is only slightly cloudy and has a couple of large bubbles. 3)A flask, 6" tall, sort of a modified oval shape, 3 1/2" at widest point. Mold marks end at the neck and there is no appreciable lip at all, just a slight widening. It is dark amber to green, really inconsistent shading. It is embossed with an eagle with olive branches in its claws and shield on its chest, banner overhead and oval shape below. It has lots of small bubbles and a sharp pontil mark so large that the bottle wont sit flat and tries to fall over. It is in perfect condition. Perfect. I am a new collector and really excited about any info you can give me. Thanks, Ellie PS - I bought these at a garage sale for 50 cents each.

Ellie, I'd be happy to help you double your money.  Sounds like you made a great deal.  See my remarks printed above about the Piso's Cure.  I was not able to locate any information about the Schilling & Co. bottle.  The exciting part is the third bottle.  Sounds like a half pint double eagle historical flask.  From your description it sounds like a GII86.  You can check your local library for a copy of Mckearin's American Glass, most libraries have a copy.  In the back of the book you will find complete descriptions of the 100+ historical flasks with eagles embossed.  From that you can determine the exact flask you have.  The even better news is the unusual coloration which might make what could be a common flask into a great one.  Without an exact identification of the bottle I cannot give a price estimate but you did well.  If you can send a picture, I'll tell you what I can.  Digger.

March 2001 update From Steven Friedman  the following: 
Digger,
I'm was researching a bottle and noticed in July 2000 you said you couldn't find anything about the A. Schilling Bottle Co. Here's what I  found at
http://wwwehlt.flinders.edu.au/WHA/heritage/Barnette/REPORT/APP2/TMTab1.HTM
tem: jar/vanilla extract/a: sidemark, b: basemark
Mark: a: SB monogram, b: A. SCHILLING CO/4oz/NET
Comments: These marks are identified with the A. Schilling Co. of San Francisco, CA (1881-1947). Schilling began the intertwined SB monogram, a popular Schilling's Best mark, in 1885 (Toulouse 1971:52). According to Zumwalt (1980:366), the SB mark was discontinued by 1918.
my "SB" bottle is 1 oz. Steven B

Thanks Steven!!

I looked over the response to my question on the Bud Syrup bottle and I don't think we are referring to the same items. I have posted some pictures of the bottle at the following site if you are able to find time to look over them, it would be greatly appreciated. http://www2.netdoor.com/~mmilner/bud/ <http://www2.netdoor.com/~mmilner/bud/ Thanks, Mike Milner

Mike, in doing some recent Patent Office research I came across a number of trademark registrations for Anheuser Busch Company that were not beer.  At the top of this page is one for a Malt-Nutrine.  The bottle looks to be from the 1930-50 era.  I do not think beer collectors would be interested but there is interest in this sort of item.  I'd estimate the value to be $10-15.  Digger

Thank you for your time and effort, I have a 13 gallon glass bottle, raised lettering on bottom is "13G, 1942, M. C. A.. G STD", the color is aqua green, it's height is 25", the bottle is BIM (Blown in Mold), the top is crowned with no closure. Where could I receive information regarding this bottle? Thank You, Javier

Javier, that is a BIG bottle.  I'd guess it to be a storage bottle of some kind.  I have seen similar bottles with wooden crates built around them that were used for acid.  It sounds too big to be a water bottle.  Maybe a reader can help.  Digger.

We are interested in any information about a 3" clear ABM bottle labeled "Mistol"...it has a crown top ...condition is good but has a small scratch on the front...Thank you

I found a reference to this as being a medicine (I do not know for what)  They were in business at least from 1929-1957.  Digger.

Mrs. E. Kidder’s Disentary cordial Boston. HI DIGGER, I RECENTLY DUG A PONTILED MEDICINE, AQUA, 8 IN HEIGHT. IT WAS FOUND IN THE BOTTOM OF AN 1860 ERA PRIVY IN AURORA NEVADA. IS THIS BOTTLE LISTED IN YOUR PONTILED MED BOOK? I TALKED TO THE SERVICE CLEANING THIS BOTTLE AND HE HAS NOT SEEN ONE IN HIS 30 YEARS COLLECTING IN THE WEST. MAYBE IT IS MAINLY LOCALLY DISTRIBUTED BOTTLE? ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS , DAVE DESMOND.

Dave, no such luck about it being a local bottle, too bad though.  The bottle is from Boston, MA. Yes, I have it listed and it is not all that uncommon (out East).  You can learn more in my latest book Pontil Medicine Encyclopedia. Digger

 

Dear Digger,

We have a bottle with the words Albany Glassworks embossed on one side with a large D under that and New York under that. On the other side it says J & A Dearborn with NY under that. The bottle is just under 5" tall. It supposedly was found under water and has a beach glass like finish. It appears to be black from a distance but when held to the light it is an aqua. The pontil is very depressed and appears to have been an iron pontil. My mother was told over 20 years ago that it was very old. The only info that I can find about Albany Glassworks is that it is now an archeological dig site. Thank you for taking the time.

Sincerely, Ed Molleo

Ed, you should always listen to your mother.  John Dearborn appears in the New York City Directories beginning about 1842.  He was operating a soda and mineral water manufactory by 1847.  The firm was listed as "J & A Dearborn" from 1848-1855 when he was joined by Alexander Dearborn (possibly a brother or son).  They were listed separately for a number of years then again from 1858-1867 the firm was J & A Dearborn again.  Not much information is published about the Albany Glassworks who made the bottle for the soda company.  At least seven different sodas with the Dearborn names on them are known.  The best ones are cobalt blue and eight-sided.  A bottle very similar to yours with J & A Dearborn in an arch over NY with Albany Glass Works / D / New York on the reverse is known in cobalt blue. Your bottle, in its presence condition, is is probably worth less than $50.  Digger.

 

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Digger, This is Jason Blevins, me and Matt Schaeffer had a discussion on a bottle I found in the river yesterday, an olive green Dr. JGB Seigert & Hijos , three part mold. It appears to be a wooden whittle mold to me, but I know that cold molds created a similiar effect. His response is below and I would like to publish this on our web site as it is rather interesting. I would in addition like your comments on the subject along with any information you have on this particular bottle. Thanks , Jason D. Blevins Bottle digger p.s. we still need to get together and dig sometime, would be a blast. -

 Subject: Molds Hey there, Interesting discussion last night about "wooden molds." Although invented by the Romans in the first century A.D. (according to current evidence), the actual use of molds didn't become prevalent until the early 1800s. Indeed, some of the first open molds were wooden ones. In "open" molds, only the body and neck of the bottle was formed, requiring that the lip be applied and shaped separately; by contrast, the "closed" mold method actually entailed the formation of a partial lip in the mold, which was further refined by tooling. Wooden molds were used very early in the 19th century, and largely by small, obscure glass manufacturers. Wooden molds posed a problem because they tended to ignite when the hot glass was introduced. Wooden molds were kept wet to prevent this, but they still posed a problem as the inside walls of the mold would char. Manufacturers discovered that if they turned the mold, however, this would prevent charring, erase the mold seams, and produce a lustrous bottle. The turning of the mold produced a "buffer" of steam between the hot glass and the inside of the mold. Never the less, the wooden mold could not endure repeated use and was quickly abandoned by most glasshouses in the early 1800s, indeed prior to the 1840s. 

A two piece Iron Mold.  
Manufacturers discovered that if they turned the mold, however, this would prevent charring, erase the mold seams, and produce a lustrous bottle. 
Only round bottles were made in 'turn molds' 

The advent of the early metal molds posed its own problem, as Firebaugh (1983) indicates: "Many early bottles exhibit what appear to be whittle or hammer marks, originally thought to have been caused by carved wood molds. It is now known that such marks had nothing to do with the use of a wooden mold. In fact, metal molds were much more likely to produce this effect." The reason for this is that metal molds were not kept wet, and the use of cold metal molds at startup would cause the hot glass to contract, producing the whittled effect. As the metal mold was repeatedly used, it warmed up until the whittle effect diminished and finally disappeared. In addition to the whittle problem, the early metal molds were made of brass, and while much more durable than wood, they still tended to wear out rather quickly. Iron molds solved this problem, and quickly replaced brass molds as the dominant mold material. The Hijos bottle is a circa 1880-1900 bottle, and almost certainly produced in a metal, 3-piece dip mold. In this mold, as you know, the bottom section of the bottle mold was one piece, and the top (from the shoulder up) was two separate pieces. I don't believe the Hijos mold was a turn (or paste) mold, as that process "wiped" the bottle and prevented embossing. This, too, posed a problem, but nothing that paper labels couldn't solve. As an alternative to labels, and in a very few, exceptionally rare instances, identifications were etched or ground into the glass on such bottles. (For instance, I have a deep olive green, circa 1870s 3-piece turn mold beer with the "White Label/Kansas City, MO" actually hand-ground into the bottle, probably with the use of a stencil. It's mint and to my knowledge, unlisted; came from beneath the floorboards of an old house). Anyway, you're right--there WERE wooden molds, but they pre-date the period during which most of our collectible bottles were manufactured. And I'm right too--the wooden mold did not produce whittles; cold metal molds did. But you're wrong about that Hijos bottle being produced in a wooden mold, dude, LMAO. Pontil Dude

 

This is one of several trademarks registered by the company. The product was distributed world-wide.

Jason, you are wrong about the wooden mold and Hijos bottle. The bottle was a late piece and is a product of Dr. Johann Gotleeb Benjamin Siegert who first put it up in Angostura, Venezuela.  In addition to agreeing with all of the above, I tend to believe that the Siegert bottles were not blown in this country.  Patent Office research shows the company to be located outside the United States. Digger

 

I have a bottle shape like a guitar and says Music City USA Nashville, Tennessee. Old Mr. Boston brand Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey 100 months old bottled by Mr. Boston Distiller Boston, Mass., Albany Ga., Owensboro, KY the bottom has raised letters reading O M B No.23 1972 royal Halburton china looks like someone has carved 1/2 or 112 on the bottom with two other symbols one is in orange and looks lke a 40 connected and the other looks like a 26 connected both in cursive handwriting. we were wondering if this is considered an antique? 

A bottle made in 1972 does not fit my definition of an antique.  The company, Halburton China, was producing numerous whiskey "collectibles" in the 1970s all of which were filled with Old Mr. Boston Brand Whiskey. Other figural decanters made by them include state capitols, race car motifs and historical and folklore figures such as Molly Pitcher and Paul Bunyan.  I tend to think of "Antique bottles" as those made prior to 1900. Digger

I have a three sided bottle with babe Ruth, Thorpe and john l. on it. it is crystal a very thick glass. it is in very good condition and it has a signature on the bottom of it. can you let me know something about it thank you Tammy Williams

Tammy I do not know.  Maybe a reader will help.  Digger

Hello Digger!!!!! Was doing some renovation work on my house and when digging came up with two bottles in perfect condition of the same vintage. One, I have the info on, which was a Duffy's Malt Whiskey Bottle, the other is a prescription bottle with the inscription, Sydney St. John, of Lakota, SD, on the clear front face and on the bottom has an etched Rx, any ideas as to the real company name and history????? Any info would be appreciated. Gary

I am afraid I don't.  The South Dakota prescription is probably a rare bottle local collectors might be able to help or maybe a reader can offer some help.  Digger

I have a beautiful shaped bottle/jar which is 4"+ without stopper. Stopper very unusual -1-1'2" tall and tapered to fit tightly in opening of container. 1-3/8" clear glass across top with a slightly curved raised pointed shape on one out edge and from the underside of this part of the top it indented going down to within 1/4" of bottom of stopper. Stopper does not fit tightly down on the lip of bottle. You can tell it was meant to be that way. I believe the stopper and part of the top was made in one piece and then top part added as around the edge of the stopper is an odd indentation which looks intentional and I believe is there to aid in removing the stopper. BTW, it fits easily but not "tightly" until one gives a slight twist. (I believe the indentation down the side of the stop and into the pointed tip has something to do with "sealing" this container. I just noticed inside the neck of the container there is two indentations on opposite sides which forms two circular protrusions on the neck of the container part way up up (1/2") on the neck. These are on opposite sides from the mold lines which go from the underside of the bottom of the container up through the lip of the opening. Incidentally these mold lines are so faint I had to find them the first time by running my fingernail around the bottom of the container to find them. When holding up to the light faintly visible but disappear half way up the container and only appear again near top of the neck and visible in the lip of the opening. When this bottle is held up to the light a moiré (fabric) pattern glitters as it is turned. Bottom on bottle is 2-1/4", no bottom ridge but curves to underside forming a slight curved ridge, slightly indented bottom with the letters: T C W Co. then 5 then U S A 3" to neck where it turns in sharply with neck 1" with the two 1/2" protrusions with upper lip 3/16" with 1" lip across and 5/8" opening for stopper. No chips, no stains. Have it displayed on a shelf and everyone admires and asks what is it for. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. When I found this in an old shed we were tearing down on my husband family old homestead (build 1905) it was dusty and dirty and had a piece of string tied around the stopper which I left on it for years. I do not know why that string was there. The only reason I could see for it was to hang the stopper up so it would not be lost when taken from the bottle. I am really curious about it, especially because of that indentation in the stopper and the two in the bottle neck. I just experimented with it. I put water in it and twisted the stopper. Water did come out when I twisted it a certain way but when twisted more, it stopped. Sure did no come out in drops. Maybe to keep pressure from building up? Now, I am curious. Sorry this is so long but don't have the equipment to send a photo. I just know it is beautiful, especially the top. Thank you for a wonderful site. I have just come upon it and will explore some more. Ella in Michigan

Ella, I have seen these bottles before.  The distinctive bulges on each side of the neck would collect a sample of the stored liquid.  Then by rotating the stopper it could be measured in small amounts.  It would be for dangerous liquids or those you could not measure with an eye dropper.  I am fairly certain the bottle is a piece of chemistry apparatus.  I was not able to find the exact name for the bottle (maybe a reader knows the common laboratory name) The Letters TCW stand for T. C. Wheaton Co. Millville, NJ (yes, the same Wheaton as the repro bottles) but the mark was used from about 1888 to the present.  Farms often conducted chemical tests for various purposes which is how the bottle might have come to be where you found it.  Digger

Dear sir, please give me as much info on value of this bottle as possible. it has a metal hinged cap with a cork gasket underneath. the words on the cap i believe to be Latin. the words are as follows reading clockwise:trinitatis conos mavri sic. pri rss. it has a picture of what looks to be a shepherd on the cap with a staff in his hand and wearing a hood. the bottle is unusual I think in that it is red on one side and green on the other. it also says Benedictine on the bottom . It was given to me by an elderly gent who retired from mo-pac railroad. I received the bottle about 20 years ago just before he past away. he said he thought it was a wedding wine bottle filled with red and white wine when poured into the glass the two wines would mix thus symbolizing unity to the married couple.

I wasn't able to find out much. Maybe a picture would help or a reader might know.  Digger

Hello, My name is Joe Preast. I'm currently trying to gather information to put a book together on Schnapps. Could you give me any help in where to look for facts & history on the early manufacturers. I have been running into walls for months. I have emailed several prominent people within the hobby/ business. Even though I have spent tens of thousands with them they have not replied. Not in reference to this. They are quick on the sales. I have read your books for years. They are great. If you could help in any way at all it would be greatly appreciated. I will gladly give credits or what ever you feel appropriate. Thank you for your time & keep up the great work. Best Regards, Joe Preast

Joe, I think I remember a bottle magazine article about the subject recently.  I will keep looking as I couldn't find the magazine easily.  Schnapps, a German word, "is the generic term for all white (clear) brandies distilled from fermented fruits. Since they were imported, you'll need to find out who the various importers were and see if you can trace those companies.  I think it will be difficult to do this.  I recall seeing some newspaper advertising for Schnapps as I collected information on pontil medicines.  I wasn't able to dig up much to help you with this but I will pass on any information I uncover.  Maybe other readers have ideas. Digger

 

Read with interest your reply to a writer inquiring about a bottle he found that had contained Dr. Samuel Hartman's PERUNA. One of my great-grandmother's sisters married Dr. Hartman. I would like to obtain a bottle(s) of some of his offerings. Do you have any for sale or can you recommend any contact to me? Thanks, Don Tshudy

 

You surely can find one on Ebay.  The bottle is unremarkable, a simple cylinder with a taper lip and embossed on the base Dr. S. B. H.  Last year at the Columbus, OH bottle show I saw two with labels for sale.  Digger

Dear Sir, I have a box of old beer bottles that my mother stored her home made catsup in. I remember of her using them in the 1940's. I wonder of they are of use to Bottle Collectors?

I expect she washed off the labels which might have made them of interest to collectors.  Without embossing or labels the answer would no.  Read More on Beers Digger

I did not see beer bottles listed on the web site. Could you give me any information on their value? Thank you so much, Mrs June Wall

June, Do a search on Ebay for the word 'beer' and you'll get over 10,000 items being auctioned any day.  While this includes advertising, signs, openers, beer cans and more, it shows there is a  plethora of collectible material in this category (too much for me to tackle in a book).  There is strong interest in this category for certain types of items.  Here's an overview with examples: 

Early beers (Pre 1875)-None being offered for sale generally sell $75+.  Such bottles are very hard to come by.  Beer was not generally sold by the bottle until the 1870s. The practice of embossing specific names of beers and breweries did not become popular until the 1880s.  Prior to the Civil War, ale was available by the bottle (it was often imported) but  usually in generic bottles either of stoneware or black glass.

Blob  tops (1880-1900), example:, a tall quart amber beer bottle, blob lip BIMAL, size almost 11 and 1/2 inches in height, "Springfield/Breweries/Registered/Springfield,O." embossed in slug plate; marked on heel is "N.B.B.G.Co. 884" [North Baltimore Bottle Glass Company, North Baltimore, Ohio] $16,     Example: Blob Top; BIMAL; Clear; Bold embossing; Embossed "McKENNA AND CONATY / (Large monogram) / PROVIDENCE, R. I."; Wires on cap are rusty so closure doesn't close; Top of porcelain stopper has same monogram as bottle $8.00  Bottles are embossed.  These tend to sell best locally.  Odd colors (cobalt green or yellow) can bring big bucks.

Early crown tops (1892-1918)
, also called pre-prohibition beers, example Lemp's Pre-Prohibition Beer Bottle. 8" tall 2 1/4" across at base clear brining $86. Example label only Capitol Select. There is no ounces on the label on this quart bottle. This is probably before the pure food and drug act, it is not on the label. It is from Des Moines Brewing Co., Des Moines, $35+ Bottles maybe embossed

Early labeled Beers (1932-1945), example Wooden Shoe Brewing Co. of Minster, Ohio, nice label in excellent condition from the late 40's.bringing $30+  Note They generally stopped putting much embossing on the bottles after prohibition. Example,  1930s or 1940s. It stands 10" tall. The front has embossed lettering. (no label) It states, Berghoff Fort Wayne Ind. Bottom states, Registered. $1.00

Western beers, with antique Western bottles being in short supply there is strong interest in later bottles.  Example: colorful labeled bottle with original wire bale " BOTTLED BY JOHN LUCAS INC., ROCK SPRINGS, WYOMING. Copyright 1934" was selling for $75+. 

Modern Bottles (1950-60s) Example: painted label "Little Wally Walter's Superior Quality beer that is BEER brewed & bottled by Walter Brewing Company Eau Claire, Wisc. Contents 7 FL Oz". The bottom of the bottle is embossed with, "GX 2105 Duraglas 9 (logo with an I inside)". It also has, "LITTLE WALLY" on the neck in white letters. Label on one side. No Bid$$ Asking $5.

Contemporary bottles (1970-present) Example: FAMOUS CITIES BEER BOTTLE This 9oz Burgie beer bottle is 7 ¼" tall and made by Ceramarte Ltd, in Brazil. It's one of a series of Famous Burgermeister Cities – Los Angeles. The bottle has Burgermeister, Theodore Hamm Company Los Angeles – San Francisco, And Burgie Beer written on the front. No Bid$$ Asking $2.  Example: GROLSCH Beer Bottle with the Metal snap down reusable stopper. The bottle itself is brown with the Grolsch name and emblem all around it. NO BID$$  Asking $5


Stoneware (generally ginger beer often foreign) Example: old stoneware bottle perfect condition, mouth is threaded so that a stopper could be screwed in. The stopper is absent. The black lettering on the side reads “GINGER BEER; W. BISCOMBE PLYMOUTH, REGISTERED TRADEMARK.”  5 3/4” high x 2 5/8” $12+ . Domestic Gingerbeers can bring hundreds of dollars however.

Novelty items Example: Cincinnati Reds beer bottle replica $11 Example: 1972 Hamms BEAR Beer Bottle. Both the head and the body are clean $50+ reserve not met but lots of bidders.

As you can see there is not much interest in the modern and contemporary bottles.  I hope this helps you.  Digger

 

I FOUND THIS BOTTLE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS WALKING AN OLD ROAD BED WHICH LED TO A FORD ACROSS THE RIVER. THE BOTTOM OF IT WAS ALL THAT WAS STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND. TO MY SURPRISE THE BOTTLE WAS NOT BROKEN. WHEN I GOT HOME AND CLEANED THE BOTTLE OFF THE VALUE JUST WENT UP. THE NAME ON THE BOTTLE IS THE GREAT SOUTH AMERICAN NERVINE TONIC THEN BELOW THAT IS AN ORENTIAL SIGN OF SOME KIND THEN BELOW THAT IS THE WORDS STOMACH AND LIVER CURE. WHERE CAN I FIND OUT MORE INFO ABOUT THIS BOTTLE AND ITS VALUE? THANK YOU BRACE HOLLAND E MAIL BRACE

You will find both the value and history as well as a picture of the bottle in an earlier month of "Questions I Get." Digger

well I have two bottles that are chess pieces the queen and king I believe they are from Old Crow and at one time held Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey they are green in color the queen stand aprox. 14 inches from bottom to top of cap the king stands 12 inches from bottom to top of cap the labels are printed and glued on the label has red white and gold writing and black back ground with a gold band on top and bottom the label says "this whiskey is 10 years old old crow Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey 86 proof.4/5 quart bottled by W.A.Gaines, division of the old crow distillery co. Frankfort, Kentucky there was a paper seal on the bottles and they are red and white on the king it has a number #35259401 and the paper says u.s. internal revenue distilled spirits the queen is missing her number but does have the paper on the bottle the queen also has what a pears to be a yellow sticker that says Michigan special order with a number also but the sticker is kind a messed up but the last of the numbers are 8946 the bottom of these bottles have green felt on them the caps are made of the same material as the bottle with a cork in the middle the inside of the bottles a pear to be white the black gold white and red label is only on the queen and i doe not see any creases so i can compare them to your date guide my question is aprox how old are they do u think they may be worth any thing and how did u find the information cuz i couldn't find any thing on them thanks

I found the Queen listed on Ebay.  It sold for $5.00.  It had a brown rather than green glaze. they look to be from the 1970s.  Digger

Digger, I've gone over your site and learned quite a bit! Very informative. My Grandfather has moved to a retirement community (and loves it!) and we're getting his house ready for sale. In cleaning out his shed I found an old bottle. He doesn't remember anything about it. It's round, 13" tall, 5.5" diameter, 1" opening. Clear Glass. "ONE GALLON" in raised glass near top. It has two seams. It has the circle "seam" on the bottom that looks just like the bitters bottle displaying the "key mold" on your Basics.htm page. It has a emblem on the bottom that's an "O" with a diamond through it <> and a vertical dash in the middle of them | . To the left is a 

"7", below is a 7 and to the right is a 2. Here's a drawing:

I've also included a crude snapshot of the bottle. The Lip is like the "rolled lip" but it's more squared off (and still round) in that it's flat on top. The seam is still visible but much less so and the "concentric ring" is there as well. I'm not really interested in bottles and would be curious to know it's value, if that's possible. If I need to buy one of your books to determine it's value I'll do so, but I would probably only need it for this one time use :| Thx in advance! Jim Ramsey -- Love Unconditionally, Live Sacrificially.

Jim, Your bottle is much newer than the Bitters bottle shown in Bottle basics.  There is a subtle difference in how the molds seams of each look and a big difference in how they they were made.  The mold seam of the older one, the bottle pictured in basics, is a product of glass being pressed into the seam of the iron hinged mold with lung pressure. The amount of force exerted was less than would have resulted from a compressed air bottle blowing machine.  In the first case, the mold seam itself is rounded  not well formed, not crisp and not finely detailed.  If you examine the bottom of your bottle you will see it has what is known as an Owens ring, an artifact of the early Owen compressed air bottle blowing machines.  I think you will notice that the mold seam is very thin and sharp in detail compared to the mold seam in picture of the bitters in the bottle basics.  The force of the compressed air would have forced the glass into the cracks with more force.  This together with improved mold making technology  reduced the size of the crevice so you get a very fine detailed somewhat sharp mold line on machine made items.  If you were to compare the mold seams of a machine made bottle and a hand blown one you'd see the difference clearly.  Further evidence of the age of your bottle is the is confirmed by the presence of  the mark you drew which is one of the Owens Glass Company of Illinois this mark was used beginning about 1929. One can only guess what your bottle contained.  The style is one of a liquid chemical bottle of some sort.  Digger.

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While cleaning out a storage room recently I came across an old bottle that I have been hanging onto more for sentimental reasons than anything else. It is a 5 Gallon ARROWHEAD Los Angeles Water Bottled. On the bottom inside a slightly raised arrowhead shape is the hand drawn "L" and below the L is "X 28". The attached picture is one I found from a site called LA at Work. The picture was taken Jan 7, 1929 and the bottle I have is very similar to what he is holding. I have been told that there is a high amount of interest in these old bottles, and not being a collector I figured I better find out if this bottle is of any value before I use it for a terrarium or coin bank! The sentimentality comes from the fact that I once worked for Arrowhead back in 1975-77. At that time there was always a scramble from the drivers to find the oldest bottles they could. The oldest found up until I got this one was 1936. Appreciate any insight you may have. Thank you Robbie Robertson

Robbie, I have a little research concerning this company. A trademark registration showing a picture of an arrowhead was registered in January of 1929.  On the registration they claim the trademarked symbol (an arrowhead) was used since 1915.  The trademark was registered under the name Arrowhead Springs Beverage Co. Los Angles, California.  In addition to the bottle you mention above they produced many soda bottles which also bore the trademark of an arrowhead.  these are found in clear glass in 6 oz and 10 oz sizes.  There is also a green quart size  (very rare) with the arrowhead.  Their big seller was ginger ale.  Your bottle probably is not older than the 1929 date.  Big water bottles are collectible, I'd estimate a value of $75-100.  They can be hard to sell, however, because of the large size.  I guess it is possible, since the trademark indicated used since 1915 to find an earlier one.  Digger

I thought I'd ask your opinion about this: I have scoured though many different books on bottles, trying to find the TRUE, ACCURATE period of time during which the bottles with the "K Y G W."  and "K Y G W Co."   markings were actually produced.  I keep finding  the period "1849-1855" repeated in several books (notably the "Confident Collector-Bottles, Michael Polak), and have found this info was lifted from some other earlier books, (Official Price Guide to Bottles, etc.) which were merely rehashing info from even earlier books. From what I have been able to find as far as solid research, there are NO bottles in existence with that embossing that have been confirmed to date from that early period, and apparently the early Kentucky Glass Works did NOT mark any bottles. (This is mentioned in the "Antiques magazine", February, 1926 issue article (Pg. 87) by Harry Hall White, about the Kentucky Glass Works). An idea I have heard supposedly knowledgeable collectors repeat is that the "K Y G W" bottles are from the early 1850s to 1870s era, but the "K Y G W Co." bottles are somewhat later. I have arrived at my own observation on that: The "K Y G W."  AND  the "K Y G W Co." marks were BOTH basically concurrently used marks of the "Kentucky Glass Works Company", a later glass company (may or may not have had any connection with the original Kentucky Glass Works) which was in business from 1880 to 1890,and located at C and 4th streets in Louisville. This company is mentioned in the 1974 "Antiques" magazine article on Kentucky glass by Henry Charles Edelen, although he repeated the popular, but incorrect, supposition that the "K Y G W" marks were from the old (1849-1855) glass company. One of the reasons (the main one) I have arrived at that conclusion is because, in the recently published book on Louisville Brewery history( "Louisville Breweries:  A History of the Brewing Industry in Louisville, Kentucky; New Albany and Jeffersonville, Indiana" by Peter R., Guetig and Conrad D. Selle- published 1997-Mark Skaggs Press, Louisville, which is a GREAT comprehensive book) there are photos and embossing/base-marking descriptions of practically all known blobtop and mineral water-type  beer bottles made/used in the Louisville area. From a careful study of ALL the dates of existence of the many bottlers and brewers that used bottles with the "K Y G W"  and "K Y G W Co." markings, I have found they ALL existed (either started, existed or ended) in the period of 1880-1890. There were no exceptions to this rule. I don't think very many (if any) other collectors have noticed this, but I think this proves that both markings were being used at the same time, and during a much later time frame than most bottle collectors are led to believe from reading the available literature. (Even an associated bottle collector website [forget where I read  it], gives the 1849-1885 or similar dates, which as you can see are most likely in error). So what can be done to start setting the record straight? Any comments very welcome!  I am just a stickler for factual information, and I really get so much more enjoyment out of antique bottles when I can be reasonably certain what period of time they were really produced in. Thanks for your time, and I really appreciate reading your question/answer forum. I just recently ran across your site, and have been immensely enjoying reading the material! ( I have most of your books, or the first 9 or 10 volumes, I should say).  Thanks again!!!! David Whitten  Clarksville, Indiana

Mckearnin and Wilson in American Bottles and & Flasks and their Ancestry give a good account of the "early" Kentucky Glass Works they comment, "In 1879 the address was High Street between Twenty-seventh and Twenty-eighth.  In 1880 while located at the same address, the firm name was changed to Louisville Plate Glass..."  This suggests to me that no firm called the Kentucky Glass Works operated under the that name at that time.  They do not mention any later companies.  Your analysis makes sense to me from two perspectives:  First, I have done a reasonable amount of digging in this area and we find  bottles with this marking (always on the base).  I have never found one to be pontiled or in a Pre-Civil War privy.  Secondly, the bottle with which I am most familiar with the marking you describe is a fruit jar. There are two variants just as you describe, one with the K. Y. G. W. on the base and the other with K. Y. G. W. Co. on the base.  Both jars are made with a "groove ring wax seal with a pressed laid-on ring.  This lip style was popular on 1860-1890 period jars and does not appear on pontil age bottles (one early related style was invented 1855 on Arthur's Patent).  Clearly the groove ring lip style does not fall in the 1849-1855 date range.  

I can easily see how this confusion could arise.  Company histories are almost always incomplete and often very complicated and convoluted.  Partners came and went, owners died or retired and many businesses were short-lived.  This was especially true in the glass business.  Few records have survived and much of the archaeological record is incomplete or non-existent.  It sounds to me as though you should publish your findings.  In the mean time hopefully this posting will reach some of your audience.  Digger

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We found an old C & K Products bottle washed up from a river in Michigan. It states that it was manufactured by C & K Products, Hamtramck, Michigan. I am 49 years old and lived in the Detroit area all my life (Hamtramck is a burg surrounded by Detroit) and have never heard of it. Can you help me? I'm guessing its a beer bottle, the only soda bottling company I know of in MI is Vernors. Thank you.

Your guess was correct, it is a beer bottle.  C & K Brewing Co. was operating at 11627-11633 Klinger in Hamtramck from 1933-1935.  After that date the company changed hands as did the name to the Wagner Brewing Co.  It too was short-lived, lasting only until 1937.  Read more here. Digger

Hi, I found your email address on the antiquebottle.com site and was hoping you could tell me what kind of bottle this is. This clear bottle stands 4-3/4" high. It will stand upright but also lays down. When laying down it rests on the bulge on the lower left and also the fin on the right which has a flat side on the lower fin. I think the bottle resembles a train engine such as a style of aero train. The bulge would be the wheels. The top looks like the smoke stack. The left looks like the headlamp. The indentation above the wheels looks like a door. The sides look like the aluminum of an areo train. The bottle has mold line all the way to the top. There is an S near the tail. The condition is good having no chips or cracks. It looks to have been in the ground for some time. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Larry Cosmo ps: I am just going through your web pages ... very interesting reading.

I have no idea, maybe a reader can help.  Digger

I have found an old bottle I think is about 100 years old. it is clear glass 10 inches high and had a cork. it has a single die inside that does not come out and it may have been a marketing gimmick. Do you know what it is? thank you.

I have no guess  perhaps a reader will help.  Digger

We have a green bottle that is covered in brown leather. The cap is plastic with a leather rooster head over the plastic cap. On the bottom, it has leather with the words ORIGINAL-M.A. under that it has MADE IN ITALY. The bottle appears to be the shape of a bullhorn. Below the head is weaved leather followed by fringed leather. It has a wing on each side. It has weaved leather at the base. It has a ruby colored eye on each side. Could you possibly help us identify this bottle? Sincerely, Josh Goemaat

Josh, I am chicken to even make a guess about this.  Wine maybe.  Digger.

Dear Digger, I recently purchased a case of blob top or codd bottles. They are 81/2 inches tall and see through green. I am told these are the original pop bottles. The bottles are 81/2 inches tall and are brand new, never used. I paid about 4.85 per bottle. Could you tell me if there is a market for these bottles. What they are used for, and well did I get ripped off. Also there is a rubber seal in the inside of the top of the lip of the bottle. I did not mean to purchase so many. I bid on them and poof won them all. I would like to know what they are worth so I can unload them and not get ripped off. Thank-you Valerie

I heard recently that Codd bottles (a type of soda bottle) were still being used in India.  I do not know if this is true or not but if they look new this might be the source.  I assume there is no embossing.  I do not think you got ripped off unless they were somehow misrepresented to you.  I expect there is a market, but expect it will take a while to sell them, especially with a case of them.   I'd check Ebay to see if other similar lots were being offered.  Digger

This bottle is aqua. On the front and back it reads Moxie and under that it says but only on one side Trade Mark Reg US Pat Office. On the bottom it reads C.C. CO. and a 3. If you could give me an estimate of its value I would really appreciate it.

You do not mention the lip but I expect it is a crown top (one which took a metal cap like soda bottles).  The product, originally called Moxie's Nerve Food was introduced in 1885 and has been produced continuously since.  Your bottle dates to the turn of the century.  The oldest bottles have bottle top and the Nerve Food embossing.  Your bottle is worth about $8-10. Presently Moxie is being made in England and advertised in a 12oz Bottle as "A Truly Original Beverage Since 1884! Originally known as Moxie Nerve Food, legend says it was an aid to digestion, a cure-all for nervousness, insomnia and exhaustion. Contains: Carbonated Water, Cane Sugar, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Caramel Color, Sodium Benzoate (A Preservative), Gentian Root Extractives, Phosphoric Acid, Caffeine and Citric Acid. For $1.49" Digger

How can a person recover bottles from a cistern too small to enter physically? Stephen Anderson

Stephen,  since the cistern is too small to enter, how do you know there are bottle in it?  Most cisterns were filled in late because they were in use.  Typically cisterns are egg shaped usually made of bricks and covered with mortar to waterproof the brick.  Water would be collected from the roof of the building.  The cistern's small opening would be covered by a stone or cement slab with a small hole above which would be mounted a pump used to extract the water.  Short of removing the slab covering the top and removing a few courses of brick it would be impossible to remove the dirt and fill through the small opening.  Digger.

Hi Digger. I also dig in the Cincinnati area and am quite new to it. Could you tell me what you believe to be the benefits from digging in the Cincinnati area as opposed to elsewhere. What should I be watching (or hoping) for. Why is Cincinnati a good place to dig ? Thanks, Eddie.

Eddie, On the plus side, Cincinnati, was the center of population in 1850 and was a popular stopping off place for people headed West  The downside is the depth of the average hole in Cincinnati.  They typically run 20 feet.  The deepest recorded was 45 feet deep.  In the 1970s a digger was killed when the hole collapsed.  They were down 19 ft.  It took several days, lots of machinery and the destruction of part of a building to retrieve the body.  We dig with safety equipment, custom made fiber glass tubing which protects us down to 27 feet.  Digger

 

Dear Digger, I am a librarian, and one of my clients has a bottle with the words: JAJHOLET SCHEIDAM engraved on a seal on the front. All I have found out is that Scheidam is a town in the Netherlands. Are you able to steer me in the right direction to search the origins of the bottle? I would be very grateful for any assistance. Thank you so much, Jo Jensen Caboolture Library Service Caboolture Queensland Australia 4510

My guess is that your patron has found a gin bottle.  Typically called case gins for the shape of the bottle designed for packing in cases (you'll find pictures in earlier months of "Questions I get.".  The bottles have a square base.  The four sides taper outward from the base to the widest point which is at the shoulder.  Gins with applied seals on the shoulder of the bottle (sounds like what you are describing) were produced from the early 1800s through about 1880-90.  Holland was the world's major supplier of Gin at this time.  Numerous examples of case gins are known with "Schiedam" or "Rotterdam" embossed on one of the panels or on the seal. There is, I believe, a fairly active group of collectors from the Netherlands some of whom might be able to provide more information.  I thought I heard of someone over there producing a bottle on gins bottles.  Digger

Hi Digger: I have a Four Roses Whiskey Bottle, which is a pint bottle made of amber-colored glass. The bottle is covered with bas relief roses, and the front of the bottle has a small metal label with the Four Roses name and more rose designs and the name of the company. (Frankfort Distilleries, Baltimore, Md.) The bottom has the words "TM Reg U.S. Pat. Off". At the top of the bottle there are the words, "Federal Law Forbids the Sale or Reuse...... etc.". The top of the bottle has a metal cap that was used as a drinking cup. Any ideas on value? Thanks. Chuck

I'd guess $12-15.  Digger.

I am wondering about a whiskey co. called "Three Feathers Co." It was in New York if that helps at all. Thanks.

Thousands and thousand of names for whiskeys were trademarked from the 1890s through the present.  There were probably thousands more that were not trademarked.  In my research, I have not come across yours.  Maybe a reader can help.  Digger

Hello. This is Riley. I would like to tell you a little about my experiences in bottle collecting and maybe get a response on what I'm telling you. I am 15, and live in a small town of 3,000 called Martinsville, Illinois. For a 15 year old I have had a lot of luck in the past 3 years. I started out collecting soda bottles out of the 60's on my grandparents farm. Then, I started walking North Fork, a large crick that runs though the crick bottom about 1/4 of a mile behind my house in the country. I had pretty good luck at that finding old and newer bottles of all types. North Fork is a good crick for bottle hunting in the summer it dries up but in the spring and some parts of the summer it floods and becomes very dangerous with ragging currents. After the floods were gone and the crick fell, the sand bars would change completely exposing new treasure. Now I'm to busy working to hike the crick any more yet I plan to hike it shortly with my friend Josh. At a Christmas family reunion back in 99', my 30 some year old cousin gave me about 140 bottles that he had discovered in a hours time, for he knew I was interested in bottles. He and a co-worker had discovered a very large city dump in the town of Paris, IL, just about 15 miles north-east of Martinsville. They were laying a water line through town when they hit the bottles and debris with a trencher. They wanted to stop but they had to continue working. They dug through probably 40 yards of antique bottles and junk. Over there lunch break they dug out the walls of the trench and gathered about 300 bottles and split them 50-50. Currently I'm trying to contact the person with the other half of the bottles and buy them if they have'nt sold them yet. They only discovered a fraction of the bottles before they had to cover the trench back up. The site was right in the heart of town in the city park. So they weren't able to take their time. They found out that that was the city dump that had shut down in the mid 1930's. I have whiskey, beer, medicine, ink, specialty, food, and many more types of bottle. I don't know much about the ageing but I think there as old as the 1860's up into the 30's. I only have found the prices for about a 1/10th of them. they are all very special to me but some are very special. I have about 20 small, flat pocket bottles as I call them. I have a great small bottle that is a miracle remedy that reads "Tricosphereous for the skin and hair" with the triangle cork top. I also have a very old dark olive green bottle that reads "Hyandi Yanos" on the bottom, one of my books says that that trademark was used from 1863-1900. I have a Lea and Perrins Worcestershire sauce bottle. I also have a Veterinary bottle with the doctors name, hospital and address. Before I get carried away I figure I should get a response first. I would like to here some things about collecting and ask you some questions about cleaning, hunting, and buying bottles. I am trying to talk my parents into taking me to a bottle show and sale. So if you would write me back it would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Riley !


Ad from the Cincinnati Daily Gazette April 8, 1859
Riley, sounds like you have the bottle bug bad.  You are right to keep educating yourself about the artifacts for the history is as interesting as the bottles themselves.  A bottle show would be instructive and give you an idea of the huge numbers of old bottles out there.  Another reader wrote this month about the tricophereous bottle.  The "Hyandi Yanos" bottle is an imported mineral water bottle that dates to the turn of the century.  I thought you'd enjoy the ad for Lea & Perrine.

 

Happened upon an old water bottling plant with many old, so far broken Madison Springs drinking water bottles they are thick light blue glass Do you know of them?

I am not familiar with the bottle.  Digger

Hello: I noticed on a Web page were you talk about magnetic medicine, you listed Dr. Edward B. Foote as a source of information. The book he wrote was "Plain Home Talk and Medical Common Sense." I have it in this book which was published in 1870. However, it is in old German so it is a bit harder for me to read.. even though I was a German major. Might you be able to tell me if this book is available in English, or if I can even get a hold of this book in English? Thanks Lillian

I have an 1884 copy printed in English.  Digger

DEAR DIGGER, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE SPERM SEWING MACHINE OIL WAS BOTTLED AND WHAT THE COST WAS. THANK YOU DONNA

Donna, you'd think for a bottle as common as this one is that I could be of more help.  I have not run across much information about the companies which produced it.  The bottle shown below at the right is embossed on the reverse "Sperm Sewing Machine Oil.  The style of the bottle clear, with the dropped ring on the neck and the four indented panels was a generic "Oil Bottle." I am pretty sure that the company listed on this label, G. G. Norris & Sons (who began in Detroit as soda manufacturers) were not in the whaling business.  The bottle at the left below with the badly deteriorated label shows a picture of a sperm whale and possible was for Joy's Sperm Oil.  The company listed is Colby & Hutchins, NY.  I am guessing here, but I suspect that the oil was processed and distributed to many entrepreneurs who put it up under their own labels.  typically such a bottle would cost twenty-five to fifty cent a bottle.

 

Hi Digger, I have a old bottle that I acquired about 7 years ago. It is 6 inches high, Honey Amber, BIMAL, and square paneled. The front says: L. PIERRE VALLIGNY LA GOUTTE - A - GOUTTE NEW YORK What type of bottle is it and how much is it worth? I would appreciate your input, because no one else seems to know what the bottle is or what it is worth. Thank you, Jerry Tennant

I guess you'll have to count me among those who do not know.  As for value, I'd estimate $5-15.  With no product name collector interest would be limited.  Digger.  

I have a square bottomed shaped green glass bottle with seams that end an inch from the lip and the stamp at the bottom of the bottle is PEAR all in capitals. Many irregularities and air bubbles and I believe it is blown in mold . It is 11 inches tall. Hope you can help, thanks.

I have no clue.  Maybe a reader can help.  Digger

Hi Can you help identify this seal, it appears to be from a mallet style bottle. It was dug in Eastern NC a few years ago, along with other 18th. century artifacts. Thanks for any help. Scott Ford

Scott, The crowns on your seal certainly suggest a European connection.  The seal appears to be made of four quadrants. I found only one early seal that consisted of a similar organization. From what I can gather, your seal is probably a coat of arms.  I am going to guess that it might not be as old as you suggest. I checked in Antique Wine Bottles by Roger Dumbrell.  He lists hundreds of seals, although none like yours.  In fact, all of the seals of the 17th and 18th centuries were much rounder and not one of them was a squared shaped like yours.   I cannot tell from the picture what the remaining glass attached to the seal is like.  I am looking for some hint of where on the bottle the seal might have been attached (neck, shoulder or body).  Its location might provide a clue to the age.  Going out on a limb, I am going to suggest your seal might be late 19th century rather than 18th.  Numerous wines and olive oils were made with applied seals in the 1880s.  Maybe a reader will help out.  Digger

Hey Digger, I have a few old bottles that I want some information on. 1) An old medicine bottle with a green tint to it. About 8 inches tall. On one side embossed in the glass it says R.V. Pierce, M.D. & the other says Buffalo, N.Y., the bottom has a circle with a P in the center. 2) A small clear (like old time milk bottle) has a embossed emblem on the front that is the shape of interstate sign or Salvation Army & in the center running diagonally it says Moyonnier. At the bottom is Patent #57479 & has a glossed like circle on the back. 3) Clear bottle with KREML on 2 sides, & says R.B. Semler, Inc, New Canaah, Conn. U.S.A. 4) Small clear bottle, front is indented & says Hinds Honey and Almond Cream, A. S. Hinds Co., Bloomfield, N.J. U.S. A. Can you give me any information on these, & if possible, any value? Thanks so much, Lori Jo

Hi, In digging down about six inches in my garden (Santa Cruz, California) I found (quite by accident) a small (only about 2-3 inches tall), clear, drugstore bottle from A.S. Hinds Co, Portland, Maine. It's embossed on all sides and the bottom, as follows: Front side says "HINDS HONEY AND ALMOND CREAM" back says "A.S. Hinds Co. Portland Maine U.S.A" One side says "ALCOHOL 7%" Other side says "IMPROVES THE COMPLEXION" Bottom says "A.S.H. CO." on one line. Below that, there's a "15", then a sideways diamond shape, then "1841" I had thought the bottle might date to 1841, but in reading Web sites, I think not, now. Looks like a thin seam runs all the way up to the well-formed (machine made?) lip. I don't believe there's a pontil there, and anyway, from what I've read, pontilled bottles are never embossed on the bottom. Any idea how old it is? ****************************** Am I likely to find more stuff like this if I dig around the area where I found the bottle? Thanks for your help! --Denise

Lori, I have covered Dr. Ray Vaughn Pierce's bottles in other months. He was famous for his "Favorite Prescription" and his "Golden Medical Discovery."  I wasn't able to locate information on the Moyonnier or the Kreml bottles.  The bottles you ask about all have a value from about $1-3 a piece. 

The Hinds Honey and Almond Cream is common (and not pontiled Denise, yes a few bottle-very few have a pontil and embossing.).  The product was introduced in 1875 but became very popular by the turn of the century.  It was still being advertised in 1948.   Digger

Can you help me to identify a bottle I found? I am not a collector, but here is my best description of it: Emerald green Either 3PM or BIM, but lip is not crude - there are 2 side seams that stop below lip and a seam around the bottle below the neck. No embossing Bottom of bottle has the following stamped into the glass: 100ml, 3, 10.6 Size is 6 1/2 inches high and 1 3/4 inches at the base Thanks for any help. Joanne

Without a clue about the shape I cannot make much of a guess.  No many old bottles however came in Emerald green and many were food bottles.  Capers, a berry used in relish, often came in an emerald green bottle with fluted sides.  The embossing of the 100ml suggests a liquid measure and a possible foreign origin.  If the bottle were round, I'd suggest olives or pickles.  Digger.

 

Hi Digger, I have acquired a jug that says the following on the front: HAYNES & COMPANY MANUFACTURERS OF PURE FLAVORING EXTRACTS MONTOUR FALLS, N. Y. The top of the jug is dark brown and the bottom a light tan. There is a 1/2 inch ledge between the colors. I have never seen one and would like to know the value of it. Thanks, Jerry Tennant

Jerome C. Haynes was born in Orleans, New York in 1849.  He moved to Lyons and finally settled in Montour Falls where in 1897 he opened and operated a company to manufacture all manner of flavoring extracts.  He was best known for his "Blue Bottle Extracts"  The bottles in which he put up his extracts were cobalt blue, which he believed protected the flavor.  These he put up in sizes ranging from two ounces to five gallons.  Your jug sounds like one from the teens or early 1920s.  I do not known what it contained.  The Village of Montour Falls has a Village historian (or did at one time) who might be able to help you further.  Digger.

 

I have enjoyed browsing information from you and others on the Antique Bottle Collectors Haven. (please note:  many of you access my site Digger Odell Publications through Antique Bottle Collectors Haven) However I cannot seem to find any information about large display whiskey bottles, and have seen none for sale in Ebay. I have two bottles that I may (or may not) want to sell, and would like to determine a value. One is a molded "Paul Jones" paper label amber with a nice embossed "Frankfort Distilleries" logo. It stands about 31 inches high and 14 inches diameter at the widest point. The other is a "Old Sunny Brook" paper label in a light amber color with clear neck, about 25 inches high and 7 inches in diameter. The Old Sunny Brook is currently missing a cork cap, which I think I have around the house here somewhere. Both are embossed "for display purposes only" and both are in good condition, except the Paul Jones paper label has minor discoloration. Do you have any idea -- ballpark -- what they might be worth, or where I can find information about them? I don't even know if these are rare or not. My great grandfather was a tavern keeper around 1890 when my grandfather was born, so my suspicion is that these have been kept my family for several generations. Any information or guidance on large bottles would be appreciated. Thanks for your assistance.

Your display bottles do have value.  I'd guess $50-100 to the right collector if they are in mint condition.  I have owned a few and found them hard to sell at the above price because of their size and the limited number of collectors.  Imagine packing them to ship!  Typically these bottles date to the 1930-50 period.  Later ones were made of plastic.  The problem is finding a collector (Ebay would provide the best exposure) who will pay what they are probably worth.  Personally, if I could verify that they were family heirlooms I would not bother to sell them.  Digger

Have an old bottle, green. The side seam runs up to the lip (not including the lip) of the bottle. The bottom of the bottle is indented and has a raised point in the center.. The lettering on the bottle is raised and says, W. GILMORE & SONS, UDERNEATH THAT IS PAVILION NY. I'm not a collector and have no idea what was in it or where it came from. Should I toss it or is it something somebody would want for a keepsake? Thank you.

My first impression was that the bottle is not worth much but a couple of things prevent me from being certain.  First, the word green.  to a bottle collector green (as in Irish green Seven-up bottle or teal green)  would make your bottle a keeper.  Green as in aqua (coke bottle green) would probably not.  Secondly, without a good description of the mouth of the bottle and the shape I can't be sure.  If the bottle had a blob top it might be a soda and worth keeping.  The bottle were square or rectangular then it probably isn't worth much.  Digger.

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Wheaton found a Wheaton bottle think it's a bitter but not sure (description) 8 to 9 inches tall blue shaped like house with picture of a man on horse date above him on right corner 1775 ,also has PAUL REVERE written on bottom under horse on the opposite side there is an eagle with a shield and arrows on the bottom it says Wheaton, NJ there's a circle with the letter c in it then four small circles in a square pattern . on all four corners they are designed like pillars . even the roof on the house (cabin) has shingles design on it thanks for your time and any information you have on this bottle dean perez

Dean,  You will finds much written on this website about Wheaton bottles.  Today Ebay on line auctions had four of your bottles being offered, one for $2 the others wanted an opening bid of $5.  None had bidders.  I'd encourage you to read through other months of Questions and check out the article on reproductions.  Digger.

Hello. My name is Sandra Ferrell, and I live in South Carolina. Several years ago I found 2 brown Duraglas bottles on some property I bought and am wondering about them. One is a half gallon bottle, or appears to be one. It is an old Clo-White bottle. On the bottom of the bottle is a 3 surrounded by a large I inside a large O. On the bottom under the OI, is a 3. The other bottle is smaller, looks like it could have been a vinegar bottle, but is a slight bit smaller then the other bottle I mentioned. It has a 6 on each side of OI, with a 4 underneath, and the number E-1596 under the four.

The brown bottle sounds much like a bleach bottle.  Both probably date to the 1940s neither has much value, but keep looking.  Digger.

I need information. I have 3 log cabin syrup bottles. one is a bicentennial with the bicentennial eagle on the back. One with the liberty bell on the back and the other one has the picture of mount-Rushmore on the back. you please e-mail me. and tell me how much they are worth. thank you very much. ps.all 3 still has there original caps on them

You will find a number of similar letters to this in previous months.  Today on Ebay more than a dozen were being offered under $5 and no bidders.  Digger

Over the years working as a laboratory scientist I have been collecting glass Chemical or Reagent bottles with an embossed "raised" name and/or formula. There are three sizes: 8, 6 1/2, and 5 1/2 inch. Each are fitted with a ground glass (penny style) stopper. I have a dozen or so in each size with varying chemical labels from at least two manufacturers. Whitall Tatum & Co. and Wheaton Co. My question: Where could one obtain a listing of type/size bottles that each company manufactured? Thank you in advance for any information! Robert Todd

That's a good question.  I do not think such a list exists.   The company did file for a number of design patents but the list would not be exhaustive.

You might be lucky enough to find an old catalog of either company.  Early advertising in glassware catalogs of the period would give a partial listing and only for that date. Be prepared to bid against me for it, such ephemera are in great demand.  I'd love a copy of such a resource.   Other collectors would be a good source of information about what is available.  I wish i could give you more hope but finding out the background usually requires a long time and lots of digging.  Digger

Over the weekend I found a clear 8" tall maybe medicine bottle embossed with KKK with a crest or design around the initials. I think it is what you call BIM and has a metal cap. Just curious what it was for. The bottom has four different things stamped near each edge 8., 7, 5, and and oval with a diamond in it and a dot in the diamond. Thank you for your help - Jennifer

Another possibility is the KKK Medicine Co. in Iowa

A number of companies used the three K's.  One company was Dr. Kay's Kentucky Kure.  the was product of the Morley Medicine Company of New York.  They were in business around the turn of the century.   Digger

 

Hi, I have a bottle that was passed on to my by a friend; it's a 12 ounce, coke sized bottle in mint condition and on one size, by the neck is a L, in script and on the other side is a B. It also says Lord Baltimore Hotel. On the bottom it says Lord Baltimore Hotel and there is a Health department code on the bottom. Can you give me any idea of what I've got here? Thanks. Janet

Sounds to me like the hotel was putting up it's own mineral water or soda.  Maybe a reader can offer more information.  Digger

Hi I found bottle dug from bottom of river. It is clear with some air bubbles about 6 1/2 " H and 2 1/2 W. The top is cork style flared outward and a little uneven. If you lay bottle flat diagonal seam ending in circle on bottom. Embossed says Lake Drummond Pure Rye J. & E. Mahoney Any info on this bottle? Steve Suffolk,Va.

 

Your bottle sounds like a late 19th century whiskey.  It probably has a value of $15-25.  Digger.

I found a amber bottle 3 1/2 " high and 1" square. The bottle has a narrow neck, looks like it may have had a stopper, no twists for a screw cap. No label, right embossed in the glass it has a skull and crossbones then says POISON, under that TINCT, finally near the bottom IODINE. The 2 seams goes up to the lip. On the bottom there is a circle that is pressed into the glass and says K on one side and 5 on the other. Is this old and is it worth anything? By the way I have enjoyed your web site. This may become a new hobby for me. Maybe I will do some more digging around... Thank you, Justine Ozaki, Seattle Washington

Your bottle is well known and very common.  It comes in 2 1/8, 2 5/8 and the size you describe.  The bottle occurs both with a machine made lip and a hand tooled lip.  Yours sounds like one of the older ones.  The bottom always has the letter K with some other number such as K3, K7 etc.  It sells for $5-10.

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